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MSNBC The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell October 31, 2019 05:24:00

Perjury. last night on this program congressman sean patrick maloney who was in the room yesterday said this. i think ambassador sondland ought to read his transcript very carefully, and he ought to see whether his recollection or whether his ability to answer in more complete ways has been enhanced, let me put it that way. i think ambassador sondland is at the heart of this thing, and he owes us truthful testimony, all of it. and that is in his own best interest. joining us now a member of the house intelligence and oversight committees who has been in the room for these depositions. democratic congressman peter welsh of vermont. thank you very much for joining us again on this question. and let s just take a look at this evidence here on what could be the basis of a perjury charge against sondland. based on what colonel vindman said yesterday. here s colonel vindman s testimony in his opening statement, he said ambassador sondland started to speak about ukraine delivering specifi ....

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MSNBC The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell October 31, 2019 02:25:00

Statement, he said ambassador sondland started to speak about ukraine delivering specific investigations in order to secure the meeting with the president at which time ambassador bolton cut the meeting short. following this meeting there was a scheduled debriefing during which ambassador sondland emphasized the importance that ukraine deliver the investigations into the 2016 election, the bidens and burisma. i stated to ambassador sondland that this that his statements were inappropriate, that the request to investigate biden and his son had nothing to do with national security and that such investigations were not something the nsc was going to get involved in or push. dr. hill then entered the room and assert today ambassador sondland that his statements were inappropriate. and gordon sondland apparently says none of that happened. here what we have from him. under oath he said we have regular communications with the nsc about ukraine both before and after the july meeting and nei ....

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MSNBC The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell October 31, 2019 02:56:00

vindman testified that he was told this directly by his boss at the time, nsc senior director for european and russian affairs fiona hill. hill told vindman that she and national security adviser john bolton thought it best to exclude vindman from the debriefing to avoid an uncomfortable situation, he said. joining our discussion now is chris whipple. he literally wrought book on how a white house is supposed to be run. it is called the gatekeepers: how the white house chiefs of staff define every presidency, except mick mulvaney, apparently. chris, at this point. trump has had the worst relationships with white house chiefs of staff ever. this is a fascinating level, what we saw this weekend where let him go home and not even tell him what s happening. let me just begin by conceding what you ve been trying to tell me for a long time, lawrence, which is the subtitle of my book, how the ....

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MSNBC The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell October 31, 2019 05:55:00

Acting white house chief of staff mick mulvaney first learned about the u.s. military raid against al baghdadi after the operation was already under way. mulvaney was at his home in south carolina on saturday when the president tweeted something very big has just happened, exclamation point. and mulvaney was then briefed on the raid later that evening. here is what the white house chief of staff is supposed to be doing in those situations. there s white house chief of staff bill daly standing right there in the situation room. with president obama. politico is reporting that lieutenant colonel alexander vindman testified on tuesday that he was excluded from debriefing president trump on ukraine because a former aide to republican congressman devon announ nunes, who had joined the white house staff, had convinced the president that he was the national security adviser instead of colonel vindman. ....

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MSNBC The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell October 31, 2019 02:55:00

Nbc news is reporting that acting white house chief of staff mick mulvaney first learned about the u.s. military raid against al-baghdadi after the operation was already under way. mulvaney was at his home in south carolina on saturday when the president tweeted something very big has just happened, exclamation point. and mulvaney was then briefed on the raid later that evening. here is what the white house chief of staff is supposed to be doing in those situations. there s white house chief of staff bill daly standing, right there, in the situation room with president obama. politico is reporting that lieutenant colonel alexander vindman testified on tuesday that he was excluded from debriefing president trump on ukraine because a former aide to republican congressman devin nunes, who had joined the white house staff, had convinced the president that he was the national security council s ukraine adviser instead of colonel vindman. ....

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