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In the midst of the discussions. we don't know that. but one of the things that has been discussed is a two-year delay, and that would allow us to look at this again and figure out whether it should continue and at what level because it it is truly a tax on manufacturing. it an involves a lot of jobs in this country and smacked together at the last minute in the negotiations. that's why a lot of people are interested in looking at it again on a bipartisan basis in the house and the senate. >> i knew you were among those who would like to see it go away, at least delayed. the only question i wa...

My quote to young politicians always was they never stop you when you're going 90 miles an hour. i think boehner showed strength here, some interesting things could happen. >> well, the reason he's kept the moderates from splintering so far is that he's promised them this on the debt ceiling he isn't going to push the envelope, that he isn't going to let the smaller tea party conference dictate the strategy on debt ceilinging and that's how he's gotten them to sort of stick the moderates to stick with them on the shutdown strategy. we'll see. it feels like he's juggling chain saws here, to be ...

>> what if we were to agree to set a framework for that. >> if you can do that. >> we didn't want a government shutdown. we wanted solutions. we wanted the senate to work with us on the budget, on the cr, on the debt ceiling. we want them to work with us. on getting this out of control spending under control. >> i got to wrap it up. you just heard the president say he wants to negotiate. he wants to work with you on all of these. >> come on down. >> all of these issues. >> i'll bake him cookies. >> but he says in his words, and i'll be precise, not with a gun held to our heads as far as that d...

The debt ceilinging is going to come up. if we don't come together instead of fighting peripheral political issues that aren't going to get us anywhere, we just had an election. i mean we're not going to -- we're not going into a presidential election. we just had a presidential election. >> so our only difference on that -- i agree with bill -- some of us would say these other issues are not peripheral. when we're receiving phone calls from constituents saying they've been laid off because of the affordable health care act when in our own state, you had one of the largest insurers saying 50,0...

House leadership go through the motions, which they're not even done with tonight or i guess early this morning, they're still going to have another vote, probably the next few hours to revote on what they did earlier tonight and then say there should be negotiations effectively which the senate said give me a break. this is nonnegotiable. it's really up in the air and depends how the markets react in the morning when they open and the kind of blowback that members of congress, particularly republicans get because democrats have made it very clear they are not budging, nothing. they will not g...