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Details of the meetings and who was there. I am much more interested in what it says about our political culture, the fact you have got two sides. You have got half the country who thinks this is the worst thing that ever happened and the only thing we should be talking about. And the other half looks at that and thinks its crazy. Kimberly its old news in terms are terms in terms of russia trying to point fear with elections around the world. Should we be concerned about it . Absolutely. Its become more a whole thing about delusions. People are delusional about the collusion. They are not gett...

To this insider decadent d.c. class. steve: it's not just about the white house. it's also who is in congress. george, i want to leave it with you. is your sympathy with the outsiders storming the barricades? >> in general, yes. we are supposed to have a federal government that is highly responsible to people's needs. not directly to represent but actively think conceiving of policies to advance people's interests. they are not doing that. in figure they are probably too directly responsible to people who helped elect them two months rlier. we have such a curtailing of election cycle now. some...

We already know russia attacked us last year. we need retaliation, not more investigation. but i spotted something that explained much of what's going on in politics. this is mike allen. most of people in america will never have heard of him. but everyone in decadent d.c. knows him. he's the ultimate insider who writes a daily newsletter. this week he went on a rant that was profounding revealing. the trump administration is not normal, he said. over and over again he lists things that are not normal. be smart, he said it's just not normal. working americans don't want normal. what has normal ...

The person who is not obligate to this insider decadent d.c. class. steve: it's not just about the white house. it's also who is in congress. george, i want to leave it with you. is your sympathy with the outsiders storming the barricades? >> in general, yes. we are supposed to have a federal government that is highly responsible to people's needs. not directly to represent but actively think conceiving of policies to advance people's interests. they are not doing that. in figure they are probably too directly responsible to people who helped elect them two months earlier. we have such a curta...

Mysterious grisham novel. steve: the reason i use the term decadent d.c., why can't -- it's so frustrating. kimberly: if you talk about both parties. republicans have become obsessed built. the democrats as well. but you talk about a lot on your show about this populism and positive population. people want to get things going and get the economy going. the problem with the democrats and the liberals, they lost sway with the working men and women, the working class and middle class who got frustrated and gravitated towards donald trump for the reasons you are focused on.