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Putin might be needing and off ramp given that his -- the next generation warfare is not going quite exactly how he planned. but putin believes that it is us, the united states and europe who might need an off ramp. why? it's because the impact of economic warfare on us is potentially much higher than on russia. because putin has sanctioned proofed his economy. now with the oil prices sky high, our gas prices are sky rocketing. this is exactly what is feeding his war machine. it's his energy and our utter dependence and especially the european dependence is factoring in in to his decision calc...

Deterrence and diplomacy may in fact not be enough. >> right because in fact here you've got a situation where we believe anywhere vladimir putin sees this as a legacy for him. in other words, he's now been in office for 22, 23 years. he's about to turn 70. he's thinking about his place in history, and he wants to reverse the results of the 1991 collapse of the soviet union to some extent, rebuild, at least to some extent, the russian empire. and to that kind of mess yannick mission, it's awfully hard to get into that decision calculus through economic means or through diplomacy. he already kn...

Think that would have been way too high on the risk calculus for, as you said, any responsible president. the distinction that biden has made, and it is a correct one, is that there are nato members to which the united states has an iron clad guarantee of security. if you are attacked, we are attacked and we will go to war for you. countries that are not members of nato do not have that commitment, and i think blurring the line, putting troops into a country with which we don't have the article five commitment is a mistake. it is a line that should not be blurred. it has got to be bright and c...

And facing a challenge that he's not likely to overcome and i think that may get into the decision calculus. what does putin think? what is the end game and trying to get to? >> yeah. to the point of abandoning ukraine, we hear from person after person and playing the ukrainian journalist grateful. they still don't think it's enough and watching the carnage pile up. talk about the job tomorrow for volodymyr zelensky. as we said an incredible messenger but what can he say tomorrow to lead to a change in nato's response? escalate the response to what we see on the ground there? >> i think look. ...

And induce uncertainty into his decision calculus. then there's the option to send be 2s to england. that will get his attention. any or all of these actions would stand to regain nato's position in the parents equation. neil: thank you. you always make people think, appreciate that, thank you, good seeing you and thank you for your service to this country as well. an interesting way to look at this, so busy assuming putin is on defense and he will leave with his tail between his legs, might be miss reading it, the oil markets, they think stick around a while, putting prices up higher and euro...