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To do it, is he going to do it, is he going to do it. at that point it became clear to me that draft biden needed to have a lot more -- a much larger grassroots network, and i could go there and help them kind of build that. by lending it some -- you know, some credibility and some seal of approval almost. >> the first democratic debate, i believe, is the second week of october. >> yep, las vegas. >> one would think that -- i mean the decision seems like it should be -- it's got to be pretty soon, right? >> i'll leave the decision-making up to the people who make those decisions. what i know i...

>> yep, las vegas. >> one would think that -- i mean the decision seems like it should be -- it's got to be pretty soon, right? >> i'll leave the decision-making up to the people who make those decisions. what i know is that over the next four to six weeks with an eye towards this debate, there's some really good work that draft biden could do that we will do. >> can you look me in the eye here and say you're not talking to the vice president and the vice president's people? >> i can definitely tell you that. >> i guess legally you can't so you have to say that. >> the last time i talked to th...

Me that draft biden needed to have a lot more -- a much larger grassroots network, and i could go there and help them kind of build that. by lending it some -- you know, some credibility and some seal of approval almost. >> the first democratic debate, i believe, is the second week of october. >> yep, las vegas. >> one would think that -- i mean the decision seems like it should be -- it's got to be pretty soon, right? >> i'll leave the decision-making up to the people who make those decisions. what i know is that over the next four to six weeks with an eye towards this debate, there's some re...