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Or stayed in his car originally completely, do you accept that that would not have led to the catalyst of events that led to the shooting? >> no question. we can look back now i think there were 1,000 decisions points and none back them but look back now and say there are 1,000 decision points but if we look at what did happen and the natural consequence of it but it's hard to say any action by george zimmerman was so wrong he should be responsible for what happened criminally afterwards. >> i want to play more contentious thing rachel said to me. what trayvon was telling her on the phone, why...

That four-minute of silence of trayvon martin and there was a minute and a half of silence of george zimmerman where we don't know what happened but ended up in a physical altercation. >> should he not when he was told we don't need you to do that, turn around and go back in his car, and if he had done that or stayed in his car originally completely, do you accept that that would not have led to the catalyst of events that led to the shooting? >> no question. we can look back now i think there were 1,000 decisions points and none back them but look back now and say there are 1,000 decision poi...

He was parsing his words. i think it all comes down to what he meant by substantive impact, because clearly fossil fuel of any sort has an impact. >> particularly the tar sands coming out of the -- >> some of the worst. is it better to ship that, move that by pipeline than by truck? yes, you're still talking about you're burning it at the end. that's a fossil fuel. you lose and pollute the atmosphere even when it's coming out. it's a question, i think what he will get it down to, is it going to happen anyway? and therefore, is it less polluting if we take it in a pipeline? i think what he's do...

Decision points. >> that's absolutely clear on keystone. >> let me play this last little bite where he shouts out the divest movement which organizers started a month ago. >> convince those in power to reduce our carbon pollution. push your own communities to adopt smarter practices. invest. divest. remind folks there's no contradiction between a sound environment and strong economic growth, and remind everyone who represents you at every level of government that sheltering future generations against the ravages of climate change is a prerequisite for your vote. >> a pretty remarkable shout-ou...

Or with his rhetoric. you know, when he's talking about the rhetoric of i want to be able to tell my children and my grandchildren that we did all that we could, right -- >> keystone is one of those key decision points. >> that's absolutely clear on keystone. >> let me play this last little bite where he shouts out the divest movement pitwhich organis started a month ago. >> convince those in power to reduce our carbon pollution. push your own communities to adopt smarter practices. invest. divest. remind folks there's no contradiction between a sound environment and strong economic growth, an...