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Current white house counselor. this is an actual conflict of interest involving the entire biden white house at this point in time. it is beyond debate whether or not a special counsel is necessary to look into this. it is absolutely required under the law at this point. >> bill: it is obvious from that answer we're at the beginning stages of this story. you would agree with that? there are a lot of layers to this and it goes right to the west wing. >> absolutely. very clearly. again, i think this is a problem that in the case of president trump, there are very few unanswered questions. with r...

These allegations. >> one thing we've heard from people who have handled these kind of documents, you have as well, maybe there's a problem with over classification. talk to me about that. >> well, i do think when you hear the term classified documents, that can refer to any number of things and certain things are more important than others, if you will. so in terms of government agencies, there is a significant amount of classification. there are things that happen on a regular basis with people being mishandling them in some ways and those are handled sometimes administratively. there's not ...

Declassification authority. so it is true, and this is actually speaking of bill clinton, this was something that judge jackson resolved when bill clinton was keeping classified information in his sock drawer. that went to -- that was a court case that was resolved in bill clinton's favor. and so, again, we have these two standards of justice with prime ministers in the recent past -- presidents in the recent past where some are treated differently than others, and that can't happen. this entire paperwork dispute never if of should have gotten to the level it is the, and we have a lot of irres...

Thing donald trump can do is stop tweeting, stop talking about this and let this die in the vine as i believe it will. >> you think this is all about the national archives wanting it's documents back in the d.o.j. throbbing and classified to sort of amp up the urgency? >> they needed criminal predicate to get a search warrant in the presidential records act which is act that governs who owns presidential property does not have a criminal provision. if the d.o.j. was clever, i have no doubt they cleared the hurdle for probable cause but again that's very different than bringing a criminal case ...

That question, by the way,e about the surveillance video that they subpoena s t from inse mar a lago was trained on the storage area that was supposed to be locked up.in so again, the leaks about there's supposed to you know, we would imagine because of the leaks something untowardid on one of thoseeo videos, which is we know from our history h with other cases would go to their case for some type of could be based on a number of things, a changing of documents, false statements as to what are contained in the boxes. , broadmoxception statute and more importantly, it moves them away from this ...