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She said initially let's have that conversation and later tried to clean it up. how convinced are you that kamala harris has staying power? >> she appears to have it, but again, this is a snapshot. let's see what happens when she has her records scrubbed over. she has not gone through the scrutiny yet that biden has over time, and that bernie sanders did last year. this is her first time at the rodeo, if you will. and there's a lot she has to show that she can stand up to whatever criticism comes, because it will come. no one is perfect. but she has shown she has a way of handling herself that...

He's not delivered on the economy, and i think the best person to do that is someone like me that's from those areas. >> when you look at the movement that kamala harris has gotten in the polls since that debate. the positive movement for her, and the negative movement for joe biden, do you attribute that to the issues, the issues that she stressed there? there are some folks that are saying, it would push the party to the left. do you think that's where democratic voters are responding to? or the stage craft of it? >> i thought it was the stage craft of it, and i think again, vice president b...

Kamala harris rising now. you saw those answers the candidates gave on stage. that idea the democratic party is moving to the left. what do you make of it? >> i think that there's a lot at play here. quite obviously. i guess that doesn't need to be said. but i'm saying it. a lot at play here. i think one of the aspects of joe biden, he came out of the gates and he said i'm the guy who can beat donald trump. i'm going to focus on donald trump. look at me, talking about donald trump, with the presumption he could do a glide to the path like hillary clinton did in 2016. there are people in the ra...

Documented by these lawyers, they actually denied all of it. they didn't acknowledge a single bit of it, even though the lawyers had so, so detailed these toddlers running around in shirts that had not been washed, full of snot and tears. they denied all of it. in fact, they pointed to the toothbrushes and said they were there. it was blaming the children. they weren't using those toothbrushes. >> just to be clear what you're saying, are you saying that the folks managing and running the facility, you think, moved folks in and out before you got there, altered the conditions in some way before...

Economically viable system. i want our country -- >> to be clear -- when you say be firm, does that mean you're against the idea of decriminalizing it, and shifting to a civil penalty for border crossings? are you against that, is that what you're saying by firm? if you are a criminal, if you're trying to come to this country and sell drugs, if you're here for some nefarious purpose, those should be tried as criminal acts through the immigration laws, period end of story. >> folks who -- that's not the case for, folks who just crossed the border illegally, who right now would be charged crimin...