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>> and also, daca and the wall, steve, are not about two individual issues. there's a deep philosophy in policy that is under those issues. >> okay. >> it's the tip of the iceberg and that iceberg goes very deep. >> okay. new york governor andrew cuomo, joining us from westchester airport. we appreciate the time. we will be right back with the "hardball" roundtable.
Anti-immigrant fervor except it was politically expedient and a way to create a boogie man for middle class people who had economic anxiety. >> all right. >> and it was a nice simple answer in a campaign. but now it's -- you have to remember you're talking about real people, you're creating more anxiety with this possibility of political deal making using hundreds of thousands of lives like they're a clesz boahess board. >> okay. >> and also, daca and the wall, steve, are not about two individual issues. there's a deep philosophy in policy that is under those issues. >> okay. >> it's the tip o...
Jonathan, because president obama is sending brain waves out to liberals everywhere. >> to liberals everywhere maybe -- but aren't we talking about a division that was run by a conservative republican? >> indeed we are, my friend. >> so what rush limbaugh is saying that the president is so overwhelmingly powerful that he could get a conservative republican to go against his own deep philosophy to do the president's spin. it is ridiculous, this whole thing has been ridiculous from the very beginning. and if there was a there, there, you better believe that chairman issa would have had it out th...