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They're stonewalling him on that, that's an active situation. more broadly, the thing you heard always about christie from new jersey people when you talk to them, was just like, man, this guy -- everyone's scared of him. >> you can be scared of someone who's a really good politician, doesn't mean they're corrupt or abusing power. but he did have a hold on that state. he really did, and right now, the question is, was that a legitimate or illegitimate hold. the thing you heard, he was good at being governor. >> right. >> in a lot of ways, new jersey has the most constitution ali powerful gover...

I asked her, and the first skeptical question everyone asks, why did you wait so long? this happened a year ago, why did you wait so long? basically, i didn't think in the climate of early 2013 people would have believed me. you think about that hunterdon story, that's the climate she's talking before. the climate where that story can be reported on the first page of the new york times, it can be reported in other major outlets. it just landed with a complete thud. nobody even dplu it happened. in this climate, because of dawn zimmer, many other things, that story is getting a second look, peo...

Congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz and katrina vanden heuvel. during the commercial break, you said if i didn't go to you first you would break me in half like a little boy. >> absolutely. >> what is your response to that? >> i mean really, it's pretty disturbing. i have to tell you, i've been in office for 21 years and i admit there are times when a reporter asks me a question i'd rather not answer. but my instinctive reaction has never been to threaten them with physical violence. >> have you ever seen -- >> this is an honest question across the aisle for republican democrats. have you e...

Was reported in september or october of last year. a few weeks before the election. at the time christie was 20 to 30 points ahead in the polls. reported in the new york times. it got absolutely no traction, i was thinking of that this week in the context of dawn zimmer when she came on our show. i asked her, and the first skeptical question everyone asks, why did you wait so long? this happened a year ago, why did you wait so long? basically, i didn't think in the climate of early 2013 people would have believed me. you think about that hunterdon story, that's the climate she's talking before...

You know, i've also brought up to the hud inspector general, this whole stronger than the storm ad campaign where he chose the higher bidder because that bidder was the one that agreed to put him and his family in the tv commercials just before the election. and there's no question that his administration was asking that in order to get the bid. so i mean, these kinds of details are out there, i think there's a clear path of abuse of power here, chris, and every day there's more and more evidence of it. >> congressman frank pallone of new jersey thank you. >> thank you. coming up, confused b...