And then when obama won the iowa caucuses in 2008, in part because of white liberals and the support he got from them in iowa, suddenly among african-american voters when a competitive race became a blowout for obama. a two-step thing. >> quick last word, matt. does -- should the president's team be concerned about that? >> look, i think they need to watch kamala very closely. in the short term, she obviously catapulted herself into the first tier. took a knife to joe biden on national tv. however, in the long term, with her waffling on health care when it comes to eliminating private insuranc...