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Open session under oath have attested to all of the facts that were in the original whistleblower complaint. but let's not ignore what jim jordan is doing here. because it's despicable. what he's doing is he is part of this effort to try to put pressure on the whistle blower, dissuade future whistleblowers, i remember a time when republicans in congress and the intelligence committees protected whistle blowers and were concerned about that law being followed and that law being enacted in a way that would protect people in the intelligence community and what they're doing and what jim jordan is...

Star witness. it's not just what he can say. he is a voracious notetaker, perhaps because he was taking notes to write his book but he carries a lot of respect in conservative circles. he will not be able to be pai painted as a deep-state actor, biased against the president. now from trump he will say he's a disgruntled employee. >> nobody liked him. >> that's the argument he can make but republican senators at the end of the day will have this president's fate in his hands, are we to get to an impeachment trial, that they've known for a long time, like and respect and won't be able to dismiss...

Both. but any public appearance by him would be potentially devastating to president trump. at the same time, you know, he's still a republican. it's not like he's going to be a michael cohen and turn into the democrats' arms. so it's a dangerous thing for the president. at the same time he's not the kind of witness that's going to just, you know, do everything that the democrats want a witness to do in this instance. >> that would seem to be though it makes him the most dangerous witness. he's not going it be on capitol hill as any -- i mean, no even fantasy from this white house could depict...

About "wall street journal" reporting and this idea i would recuse from the case. jim told me he didn't want me to participate in that discussion and decision. >> why is that? >> i'm sorry? >> why did he not want you to participate. >> i can't speak for jim and don't want to say what was in his mind or what might have been circulating in his mind. >> can you tell us who he consulted with. we always crazy donald trump for not consulting with more people before making momentous decisions. can you tell us who was he talking with before he sent out that letter to donald trump? >> i don't know. my ...

>> these actions are persistent, they're pervasive, and they are meant to undermine america's democracy on a daily basis. the warning signs are there. the system is blinking, and it is why i believe we are at a critical point. >> that was by the way dan coats who runs the intel community, oversees the intel community. just for our viewers that don't know this, you want to call him a deep state actor, he was appointed by, wait for it, wait for it, donald trump. so jeremy bash, it is very interesting as david ignatius and katty just said, the mueller indictments on friday seem to be more of a me...