Very real obstacles that there are. there's a case to be made. to briefly outline it, you saw instincts, very strong powerful instincts in the administration to pursue the rule of law at the beginning. there was the executive order that they were going to close gonzal guantanamo, and they nominated johnson, a strong defender of civil liberties, and one of the biggest critics of the torture regime, and that was met with a massive backlash, and it seemed like that backlash was successful, that it did coward them a little bit. what do you see as restoring the rule of law? >> well, when the rule o...