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Determined to make the most of his coaching career. he ll be reunited with the new england rugby union head coach steve borthwick, who he worked with at leicester tigers, as england s defence coach. i ve probably changed the last couple of years, and some of that is down to, you know, my good mate rob burrow. but, yeah, i ve really enjoyed coaching a lot more than i thought i would. and to be able to work with steve in this environment is incredible. over the last couple of years, you understood that we re not here for a long time and we ve got to try to make the best of it. and how you spend your time, and where you spend your time, and what you go after, is the bits that are important. and now i spend a lot of my time trying to help other people, and i get a real buzz out of that. he has done that, hasn t it? it s amazing how those experiences, he is using that as motivation as well in his professional life, moving into that role. we were just saying ....