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National debt keeps going up and up and this is something you said sa shackle american for next-generation. where is the political courage to deal with it? >> i agree with it. when you send a budget that reduces a simple majority of the senate cannot even were they hiding behind a 60-vote rule and they can't get that done, i'm concerned. we have to have the president in both house and senate behind reducing deficits. listen, we talk about our troops. there were two threats to the future. national security and defense in making sure they have -- leland: understand the defense argument. we are g...

President of the united states. they're making the argument that it's not normal, it's not the same when you -- being an ordinary person versus the president of the united states and that they haven't shown enough evidence to prove they need to sit down and interview him for the obstruction of justice. >> that's really just a defense argument, is it not? other presidents have been required to sit down. clinton volunteered but under threat of s&p. if the president turns down the offer in effect of an interview, that could be followed up by a subpoena requiring him. >> which is of course what i ...

At the fbi and the department of justice out to get their family. the russians have fallen far short of that. here is jake tapper. y >> you agree that it vindicates trump? >> we're dealing with a situation in our fisa court and how we process within our government agencies, and i don't really think it has anything to do with that. >> reporter: doesn't have anything to do with that. fred, as you noted, democrats on the house intelligence committee are pushing for the release of the so-called schiff memo. it's officially the democrats' counterargument "best defense" n -- defense argument against...

Privilege. you get to claim it. yet we would be remiss if we didn't report that that big debate yesterday about attorney-client privilege connects with the breaking news tonight that there's more and more dribbling out about what had previously been lied about at the trump tower meeting. so your view on both questions. one, could it be a legitimate claim on privilege? and two, do you see any link to this meeting? >> for it to be privileged, it has to be communication to a lawyer to obtain legal advice. if the facts is they were on the phone with their attorneys to obtain legal advice, then yes...

Believes they are in a deadlocked? is the note going to say we're deadlocked or they want a transcript of testimony read to them again, question about the law, maybe they reached a verdict. that would be a big surprise. hard to know what the jury said in that note moments ago. >> jon: the friendship that is at the heart of these allegations of corruption pre-dated senator menendez's time in the senate. i think even his time in politics, richard. is that part of this -- the defense said look, these two men were friends, there was no political quid pro quo, just two guys who were friends. >> the...