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Jury if they're back by the time i get back. >> all right. >> i could also use a bathroom break, i assume that's what mr. hogue is looking for. >> let's take five minutes and we'll get back into this. >> thank you, judge. >> all right. five-minute break there. joining us, elliott williams. you saw the content of that debate, which is not the first time we have seen this debate. the prosecution in the final word of the jury in their rebuttal closing arguments makes the argument that the law that applied at the time of this required for people making a citizen's arrest for there to be a felony o...

0 this arm on ahmaud arbery was 25 inches, this arm was 26 inches and the barrel of the shotgun is over 28 inches. do the math. did he hit him? he did he punch him? did he strike him, when the shotgun is like this? easy, do the math. this is what travis mcmichael did. there is no fear here. there is only anger. remember, it is the standard of reasonable beliefs that the force used is necessary. do you really believe he had no other choice but to use this shot gun? is that what you really believe? no other choice. what are the alternatives? well, the first alternative is don't start this. i'll ...

Happened over the last couple decades is through the victim's rights movement, is to get exceptions put into the law, and into the court rules to allow the family to be there, and to have that kind of impact, if you will, literally throughout the trial on the jury. so it has an enormous impact. i will tell you, though, if the family continues to stand up and absent themselves in front of the jury, you will see the defense object to this, you'll see the defense ask that they be excluded for any particular witness. or have the judge exercise discretion in terms of barring them from the courtroom...

Decades is through the victim's rights movement, is to get exceptions put into the law, and into the court rules to allow the family to be there, and to have that kind of impact, if you will, literally throughout the trial on the jury. so it has an enormous impact. i will tell you, though, if the family continues to stand up and absent themselves in front of the jury, you will see the defense object to this, you'll see the defense ask that they be excluded for any particular witness. or have the judge exercise discretion in terms of barring them from the courtroom. you're not going to be able ...

Happened over the last couple decades is through the victim's rights movement, is to get exceptions put into the law, and into the court rules to allow the family to be there, and to have that kind of impact, if you will, literally throughout the trial on the jury. so it has an enormous impact. i will tell you, though, if the family continues to stand up and absent themselves in front of the jury, you will see the defense object to this, you'll see the defense ask that they be excluded for any particular witness. or have the judge exercise discretion in terms of barring them from the courtroom...