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Federal judge so-called. that's an enormous mistake. enemies, enormous mistake. here with amy, you make mistakes early, you can course correct, bring in bolden, and someone is on the sunday shows. >> there's two levels, tough media thing, he's great at, a tough media host for the public housing, but there's the actual substance of running of government. rex tillerson could be a great secretary of state, but he can't pick deputy because somebody in the white house blocks him. then all -- all -- ben carson loses somebody. they are trying to run a government, they are prevented because of the loy...

Enormous mistakes early, you can course correct. you bring in a bolton and you have somebody that can come on the sunday show like reince did. there are opportunities to course correct. >> there's two levels here. there's the talk media thing which he's great at. he's good at your job. but there is the actual substance running of government. rex tillerson could be a great secretary of state. but he can't even pick his deputy because somebody in the white house blocks him. >> there's a loyalty test. >> emasculation right away. and then ben carson loses somebody. people all around the agencies a...

Great at. but then the sub stan running of government. rex tillerson could be a great secretary of state but he can't pick his deputy because someone in the white house blocks him. and then ben carson loses somebody. people all around the agencies that are trying to actually run a government are prevented because of the loyalty test. then the israeli prime minister comes in. there is no state and no defense representation. you can't run the government has one or three people in the white house. you need to lead an organization. >> and people have no one to call. you have people heads of agenci...

Lawyer to a lawyer who is exactly the opposite. he has a long string of contributions to democratic candidates in new jersey, including most recently apparently maxing out to cory booker's senate come pain, while not giving a penny to chris christie. so this is a real switch in the dynamics of her defense representation. >> well, you're right, lawrence. i think a key is something you alluded to before is that her original lawyer kind of suddenly said he quote, unquote, realized he had a conflict of interest. and the conflict of interest was he was an elected commissioner in new jersey. and tha...

Reckless conduct. grossly negligent conduct but not intentional conduct that killed her. >> bill: i got it, okay. now, based on this case and based on simpson and blake and casey anthony, would i be wrong to draw the conclusion that it's easier to get away with murder in the united states right now than it ever has been? >> well, it depends on hot defendant is. if you are and you mentioned blake, you mentioned o.j. simpson, even casey anthony, what do those cases have in common? the fact is that there was excellent defense representation. they really did a job on the prosecution's case in blak...