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What the cost is. when you go to the doctor for an x ray or cat scan, you don't care what the cost of that is. you care what your out-of-pocket expense is. that's the only product or service we buy like that. it's a tremendous distortion of the market. that's probably a longer conversation. >> nobody spends the time on this like we do. that's why you're always welcome here. let's talk about taxes. your time in congress, you were a deficit hawk, you were a movement politician. you put out a statement after the initial budget proposal where you said i'm not really interested in how tax reform ha...

Come from somewhere. if you're saying it is not a cut, there are $800 billion in immediate xad will come out. that is a budgetary necessity. otherwise it doesn't pass reconciliation muster. there will be $800 billion less going into people's health care through the program than there would be if you didn't pass the bill. their the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff said the single greatest threat to our security was our debt. and honestly, chris, you know this. there is something that will have to happen on spending control, deficit control, that is part of discussion that will be going on ...

Going into people's health care through the program than there would be if you didn't pass the bill. their the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff said the single greatest threat to our security was our debt. and honestly, chris, you know this. there is something that will have to happen on spending control, deficit control, that is part of discussion that will be going on over the next several months. it is common sense. >> this is a common sense approach to the vast increase in the expenditures of medicaid. it will go from $550 billion a 84 to a trillion dollars a year in less than ten yea...

Back in april of 2009, when they were just getting started with the stimulus, 62. so, it's gone up 21% in about the last four years. >> alisyn: i find that wording, also amusing. who thinks the government spending is being managed carefully. 11% is actually the shocking number. >> the shocking word is managed. >> alisyn: and carefully. >> a fire hose of cash. i will say the best thing the president can do for his legacy and starting to talk, i don't think that the president needs a library and now talking he wants a library maybe in chicago. talking about his legacy, most important thing he co...

President's team has to be careful if they use campaign tactics and try to pressure, say, more moderate democrats like joe manchin in west virginia on issues like gun control that could back fire in a red state like west virginia where he is from. there is a fine balance here, bill. >> that will be interesting to watch. back to monday though. will he get into specifics about, say, immigration or even guns, ed? >> no. aids say that he wants to make this a big picture speech. and sort of it's going to be a bicend to the state of the union address that's coming next month. just as he did last yea...