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You want. >> on the up side for republicans, is there an upside there's a focus on obama care, not only the technical side of it but the substance of it and the $17 trillion in debt some people don't talk about a lot but they've heard a lot about over the past few weeks. is there some silver lining any republicans can take out of the past two weeks? >> i think so. this whole idea people are talking about obama care now and wouldn't have been if it weren't for ted cruz, that's over done. people would have been talking about obama care, republicans have been talking about it for a long time and ...

I don't regret having those negotiations and we came fairly close. and whenever i see john boehner to this day, i still say should have taken the deal i offered you back then, which would have dealt with our long-term deficit problems and would not have impeded growth as much and really boosted confidence. but at that time, i think house republicans had just taken over and they were feeling their oats and thinking we don't have to compromise. and we came pretty close to default. and we saw the impact of that. i would have thought that they would have learned the lesson from that as i did, whic...

Otiations, and we came fairly close, and whenever i see john boehner to this day i still say, should have taken the deal i offered you back then. which would have dealt with our long-term deficit problems, would not have impeded growth as much, would have really boosted confidence. but at that time i think house republicans had just taken over, they were feeling their oats and thinking, we don't have to compromise. and we came pretty close to default. and we saw the impact of that. i would have thought that they would have learned the lesson from that, as i did, which is we can't put the ameri...

A debt limit increase without any reforms to lower our deficit just isn't going to cut it. >> john feehery, you heard it there. without any reforms. it's not you got to kill obama care to get the debt ceiling through or the continuing resolution, the cr as you're calling it. but something. >> well, john boehner's absolutely right. >> that's a significant statement there. he's saying this isn't all about killing obama care. >> i don't disagree with that. i think it's significant. but i think it's consistent. boehner -- we got a deal last year that decreased spending. you have to kind of within ...

Who believe that the only way to have the country seriously address the debt and deficit problems it has is for us to have a serious self-inflicted crisis. it's sort of a remarkable window, i think, into how some people think about this coming fight over raising the debt ceiling. >> these people that don't have 401(k)s, don't invest in the stock market, they're not looking for a job, because we've seen the last time they threatened default on the debt, just threatened it, a 1,760 point drop in the dow. just threatening it. >> i write in the piece, i think the theory is, this is short term payi...