a debt limit increase without any reforms to lower our deficit just isn't going to cut it. >> john feehery, you heard it there. without any reforms. it's not you got to kill obama care to get the debt ceiling through or the continuing resolution, the cr as you're calling it. but something. >> well, john boehner's absolutely right. >> that's a significant statement there. he's saying this isn't all about killing obama care. >> i don't disagree with that. i think it's significant. but i think it's consistent. boehner -- we got a deal last year that decreased spending. you have to kind of within the context of raising that, that's why you have a debt limit. so you confront the real deficit problems you have. that's why you have this fight to begin with. if you don't do anything on it, what's the point of having this discussion at all? we've got to confront our debt. there's a long history confronting our debt. when we reach a debt limit. i think that's all -- for the president to say if he's going