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the country, specifically, gender roles. today in tennessee the republican governor billy see signed two controversial new laws. one bans gender affirming care for minors and the other restricts drag shows in the state. let's bring in former democratic congressman ron derrick jones and patrick is here and doug high. guys, let's start with the decision to ban any sort of doctors medical care for anyone under 18 who is looking -- who believes they are trans and is looking for any sort of medical treatment be it pharmaceutical, consultation or anything like that. doug, i believe you are...

Differentiate between equity and equ equality? >> well, quality we talk about -- i don't know what the answer to that is. come to think of it, you know, equality is equality of opportunity. all right? we live in a society we want all people -- >> right. >> to have whatever color your skin is. >> equity is more guarantee of outcome, is it now? >> i think so. i think so. >> okay. so which side do you come down on? >> equality. >> equality. >> yeah. >> okay. >> boys? any comment on that one? >> i don't know if that's the definition difference. the equality outcome over equality of opportunity is ...