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>> yes. >> do you associate that with pain and grief and suffering? >> of course. >> you also, though, told mr. del delde la rionda under oath you had gone to the hospital, correct? >> he had asked me did i go to the hospital and i said yeah. >> so, you -- i know that you had said that earlier to mr. crump and to miss fulton, to give a plausible explanation to them for why you didn't go to the memorial service or the wake. is that right? >> yes, sir. >> and then when mr. de la rionda asked you about it again, you gave the same answer? >> yes, sir. >> but you knew that was a lie? >> yes, sir.
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