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Picture because that is where the strength is in the case. >> and craig melvin, you have been in sanford, florida, i practiced law in california. i talked to a different kind of jury and audience, maybe these prosecutors have been very, very successful. bernie did e la rionda, i think said is 148 out of 149 cases. how do you think it will play out? >> we'll have a guy who has been in the courtroom just about every day. i've been in the courtroom a few times. but the jury, by and large, especially during the closings, they put their note pad aside and paid close attention to what both sides had...

>> yes, sir. >> so mr. o'mara asked you about phone calls that you had, telephone conversations with the defendant. do you recall that? >> yes, sir. >> okay. was your intent to eventually, if you could, attempt to interview the defendant again and challenge him, i guess to use mr. o'mara's words? >> absolutely, yes, sir. >> if i could have a moment, your honor. >> yes, you may. >> i don't have any further questions. >> thank you. any recross? >> yes, your honor. i'll go through some of the areas that de la rionda talked about. i'm give a blanket apology about using some curse words, but when t...

Jury. she was not provided a transcript on that on that questioning. >> your honor, i'm sorry, but i believe that she was. i handed her two transcripts and my transcript said, you want that, too? mr. de lrk la rionda's transcri said, you want that, too, but had another word under it. the witness said under oath i never said that. i want the jury to hear this witness' own words. now i have the right to confront her with her own words in front of the jury and her own words are on this recording. so i want to play the recording for the jury, as to what this witness denied first of all under oath ...

>> yes. >> do you associate that with pain and grief and suffering? >> of course. >> you also, though, told mr. del delde la rionda under oath you had gone to the hospital, correct? >> he had asked me did i go to the hospital and i said yeah. >> so, you -- i know that you had said that earlier to mr. crump and to miss fulton, to give a plausible explanation to them for why you didn't go to the memorial service or the wake. is that right? >> yes, sir. >> and then when mr. de la rionda asked you about it again, you gave the same answer? >> yes, sir. >> but you knew that was a lie? >> yes, sir.