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Committee after saying he would come forward. then he goes to court as a delay game, as you say, mr. chairman, to try to throw a monkey wrench into the process he had been cooperating with up until donald trump blew his top. his central argument is that we have no legitimate legislative purpose in conducting this investigation. that's the heart of the matter. article 1, soection a, clause 1 you of the constitution. congress has the power to provide for calling for the militia to execute the laws of the union, to suppress insurrections, and to repel invasions. mr. chairman, what do you make of ...

0 defense. the court yesterday appointed a guardian to represent their son. they have seemingly abandoned him. have had no contact with him. have not seen him or spoken to him. obviously what lies ahead for their case, it's going to be a difficult one for prosecutors after they charge them with four counts of involuntary manslaughter arguing that they gave him the gun as a gift, but also saying that they did nothing to prevent him from unleashing this shooting, this attack. prosecutors saying they knew things were going on and they should have done stuff, that's why they charged them and we'll...

Donald trump, he doesn't have any legal grounds for resisting that subpoena, he will try to drag it out, obviously he'll play some kind of game. but what do you anticipate in what kind of delay game donald trump can play in going under oath for attorney general james? >> what lawrence, both the attorney general and district attorney investigation are focused on whether the trump organization committed fraud. but each investigator, the new york we da have a different set of power. and in criminal case, prosecutors don't get to take depositions of the suspect, but in a civil case anybody can be ...

Professor at georgetown university, and a former federal prosecutor. here's an msnbc legal analyst, and david k. johnston, pulitzer prize winning investigative reporter and author of "the big cheat how donald trump fleeced america and enriched himself and his family," professor butler, let's begin with the legal process that letitia james is running in this civil case. she has the power to subpoena donald trump. he doesn't have any legal grounds for resisting that subpoena. he'll try to drag it out. obviously he'll play some kind of game, but what do you anticipate in the -- what kind of delay...

Cooperated. they never testified. you had to build a case without getting the criminals themselves to tell their story. and that has been done, and there are ways to do that, and this committee can do that, so as much as we can talk about the frustration of this delay game that's being played, the fact is that it is possible to conduct an investigation about what mark meadows did without mark meadows' testimony, and what donald trump did without donald trump's testimony. >> that is absolutely correct. both representative swalwell and i are former prosecutors, and first of all, we both agree th...