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Grisham, elaine chao, mike -- it goes on and on and on. but the problem is the republican party can't break the cycle. >> yeah, and i think all of those defections -- and pete's exactly right. laying on the line exactly what hangs in the balance of re-election of donald trump. puts right in front of us the gravity of needing to topple him politically. but what we have learned i think through all the indictments and through that list of people you just mentioned who have tried to challenge him on substance, is donald trump will not be stopped on substance i'm not even sure he will be stopped po...

For a campaign to essentially say on his own our candidate is not strong enough to do this, so the other guy needs to crash and burn and admit all his legal problems. that's the reality? >> yeah, there are legitimate questions, chris, should ron desantis even be running this cycle because he might end up losing and then having that loser tag on him. look, i think the other candidates have gotten in because they've also seen the weakness of ron desantis. they've seen his ceiling. look, anybody who's going to take on donald trump at this point, the strategy has to be a delegate slog through the ...

Out from under you. even though barack obama had lost three big states or two big states in rhode island, he was focused on one thing, delegates. while he lost the votes, he was behind the scenes made sure he hadn't lost in delegates. even though mitt romney lost alabama and mississippi, here is a message from his campaign today. "tuesday's results actually increased governor romney's delegate lead. opponents moves closer to their date of mathematical elimination." that sounds so final, doesn't it? this is a delegate fight now. when barack obama was in the midst of his own delegate fight he wa...

Even though barack obama had lost three big states or two big states in rhode island, he was focused on one thing, delegates. while he lost the votes, he was behind the scenes made sure he hadn't lost in delegates. even though mitt romney lost alabama and mississippi, here is a message from his campaign today. "tuesday's results actually increased governor romney's delegate lead. opponents moves closer to their date of mathematical elimination." that sounds so final, doesn't it? this is a delegate fight now. when barack obama was in the midst of his own delegate fight he was prepared for it. h...

Focused on one thing, delegates. while he lost the votes, he was behind the scenes made sure he hadn't lost in delegates. even though mitt romney lost alabama and mississippi, here is a message from his campaign today. "tuesday's results actually increased governor romney's delegate lead. opponents moves closer to their date of mathematical elimination." that sounds so final, doesn't it? this is a delegate fight now. when barack obama was in the midst of his own delegate fight he was prepared for it. his campaign hired a strategist. berman was the most respected authority on the dark art of de...