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Pragmatic progressive, focused on the economy and against dark money in politics. on immigration, he said he's against decriminalizing border crossings. >> i think this is part of the discussion that shows how often these debates are detached from people's lives. we've got 100,000 people showing up at the border right now. if we decriminalize entry, if we give health care to everyone, we'll have multiples of that. don't take my word. that was president obama's homeland security secretary that said that. the biggest problem right now that we have with immigration, it's donald trump. he's using ...

Done. you have to lead. i keep seeing the debates. it was very instructive talking to americans about what she wants to do on the issues. we learned last night, it will be interesting tonight. everybody will, i think, biden will be the punching bag. they tried to do it last night to warren is that sanders. it didn't help the folks who tried to do it. and warren was able to deflect it. why? big vision, happy warrior, we can get these things. >> happy warrior. >> and joe biden is a glass half full kind of guy. >> we hit pause there. a lot more coming up right after this. we'll be back for the se...

Highly googled. >> yeah. yeah. she didn't bring up the prime minister of new zealand, but pete buttigieg did. again, the prime minister of new zealand getting major play in the debates. joining us now to discuss these dark psychic forces, live from detroit, guardian white house correspondent sabrina sadiki. also palestinian analyst. good morning to you. the first debate was a showcase between the more moderate sort of pragmatic democrats and the more, you know, home run, big plan, big idea wing of the party. bernie sanders and elizabeth warren clearly head and shoulders above the rest. they we...

Insurance people like from their employer. hickenlooper, there, you cannot decriminalize border crossings. that sends a signal. passion and boom a smack back, warren and sanders stood center stage saying no, this is our party now. we're in the middle because this is our party. >> it felt, at times, like a high school basketball team playing an nba team. progressives on the center of the stage were emphatic and good debaters and on the sides of the stage, you had people still fighting for oxygen. so, they couldn't make the case quite as forcefully. maybe biden can't either. he has been shaky bu...

Tonight, that forget all of the -- these high-minded policy debates, we have a more urgent problem in front. us, and that's taking back the white house from donald trump's grasp. >> yeah. it's fascinating, the whole democrats no matter what will be painted as socialists as pete buttigieg said. it's this republican party, this president of the united states picking winners and losers in the economy, raising taxes on working people, consumers with tariffs. you know, all of these things that were so, you know, would never have happened in a republican party in the past happening today. kind of a ...