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The problem sometimes of political coverage, we get so down into the grandular that lifting up like this as tom did is a useful exercise. we are in a three-year period now leading up to 2024. in which the american democratic experiment is on trial which is to say that we could be looking at an election of 2024 that results in two people on january 20th. thinking they have a claim to the white house. we have the republican party that's shown it's not going to necessarily abide the key rule of living in a democracy. when you lose an election. uconn sent to that reality and thank you then say we'...

You can bring it down one lefrl and say, does it? does that help the democrats. a, they are interested in the lives of blue collar workers and high school graduates. does it show democrats can move legislation through congress and in a effective manner. his point are valid and it's about much more. if you look at the stakes, the stakes have to do with the entirety of the american democratic experiment. >> all right, jeffery goldberg, thank you. the atlantic festival is it wrapping up today?

State of georgia. trump asked the secretary of state to start the process of de-certifying the election. we read a lot to prepare the show for you. sometimes we pay close attention. sometimes things are in the periphery. a new document from those daze -- days when donald trump was trying to end the american democratic experiment. when he was attempting to install himself the loser over the candidate who won in clear violation of the rule of law and the will of the people. i was wrong. trump sent that letter four days ago on september 17, 2021. it is a reminder of the fact that while most every...

How remarkable that he has to say that and is that a message that u.s. allies find credible? zblun >> unclear. that is one of the most fascinating parts of this first european trip, this first foreign trip that president biden is on. is the about whether or not his fellow leaders of democracies in the g-7 are going to look at him and say, you know, are you, you know, you are the same -- are you the president of the same america that we and our predecessors have been dealing with for, you know, a couple centuries? and we don't know the answer to that. they will know and they do know that as a p...

The house declared the president's comments racist recently. before that there was a program over charlottesville, questions around russia. do you see this as one among many, but is this somehow worse? >> well, as we know constitutionally the constitution gives us no road map on what constitutes impeachable offense. but what we do know is that there are some offenses that are criminal but may not be impeachable and some that are impeachable but may not be criminal. and, so, what i think is important here is that trump's behavior, his statements, how he comports and conducts himself, particular...