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How do they see democrats in terms of they would like the most considering they don't like any of them. >> exactly. the republicans and independents who aren't part of the democratic primary process. you're just trying to win some of these voters. it's very, very early, this number indicates that biden at this point at this point is in the best position to win a few of these voters. >> that's why we keep inviting all of these people on the show. there's a lot of time and you got to make your case. politics is about persuasion. we ask, ask, ask. no, no, no, no. biden recently came on. you got t...

So much in these early matchups is not because of his standing among democrats, it's because of his standings among all other voters. and that's a key point. those general election points are taking into account these other voters. >> all other voters is a metric of least/worst. how do they see democrats in terms of they would like the most considering they don't like any of them. >> exactly. the republicans and independents who aren't part of the democratic primary process. you're just trying to win some of these voters. it's very, very early, this number indicates that biden at this point at...

Have plans or campaigns that are run that resonate with the issues we care about. >> what are the obamas looking for? they haven't endorsed the former vice president. a lot of people are saying why not. he was the vice president. what are they looking for? >> i think they believe in the democratic primary process. so, whoever wins the primary, they will get behind full force. just to what she said about offering it advice to anyone who wants it. and so although i know that the vice president has a close relationship with the obamas, i do think that all of the can dates if they have the courage...

That resonate with the issues we care about. >> what do you think the obamas are looking for? listen, they haven't endorsed -- >> right. >> -- the former vice president. a lot of people are saying, well, why not? he was the vice president. why do you think they aren't endorsing him? >> well, i think they believe in the democratic primary process. so whoever wins the primary they will get behind full force, but, you know, just to pivot back to what she actually said about offering advice to anyone who wants it. and so although i know that the vice president has a close relationship with the oba...

Left. on the other hand they emphatically don't want to endorse -- they don't want to seem as if they are putting their thumb on the scale for biden and inject themselves into the democratic primary process. i'm sure wherever barack obama's next appearance is, he has carefully been prepared and thought about what he will say if that sort of question is directed toward him. >> well, it is not stopping joe biden from talking about barack obama. even if it's a one-way street, that seems to be something joe biden likes to talk a lot about in the campaign trail. guys, thank you very much for all th...