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Secretly wishing a greek exit from the europe. >> explain that. >> a small economy, 2% of the overall euro zone. the problem is the demonstration effect of greece. if greece leaded euro and converts to drachma, the economy goes into freefall and governments in spain and italy, hopefully in france where you have a new socialist president are going to take a look at what happened. >> it will be ugly. >> it will be ugly when countries leave the euro zone when they try to, sort of float on air and ignore fiscal restraint and it will care them and that's what the rest of the countries need. you kno...

This is a brutal, brutal foe. i was told the story of a seven-year-old child who wanted to go to school in one of the southern provinces and was captured and actually hung by the taliban as a demonstration effect to other children, particularly females and women. you can't go to school. this is an enemy that pledges a return to these sort of medieval ways. and, you know, that's very much at stake. it's not necessarily something you can deem in the national interest of the united states to preserve the women and children of afghanistan, but it certainly is a humanitarian concern in every way th...

The sorts of things that we do in terms of u.s. troops and iraq and containing iran and all those kind of things, but there's also this sort of demonstration effect of egypt. it's a country with 84 million people, more than three times larger than any other arab country. it has had a perception of being incredibly stable. if egypt were to really wobble or if egypt were to fall then the effect of that on the other rulers in the region and republics in the region would be absolutely tremendous. i think what you're seeing quietly is all the other rulers are rooting for hosni mubarak to pull this ...

From under mubarak would be to number one get ahead of the people and say washington decides these matters. there is also the demonstration effect. a lot of other authoritarians that are the allies. saudi arabia and the other gulf emirates. they are wonder figure they can rely on the united states. as you said, we are walking a very difficult line, but i think the administration is making it clear that it is on the side of change. it's on the side of a new democratic elections for a new leadership in egypt. >> let me ask you about one tactical question in this diplomatic dance, i guess. are am...

Even if democrats do not have the power right now to fix this problem alone, they want to fix it and they will at least pull out all the stops trying to get it done. and yes, that's politics. that's the pr part of this, the demonstration effect, part of this. but, yeah that's what politics is supposed to be like. you make a principle stand for a policy that you want and you fight like heck to get it done. and whether or not you get it done, you persuade people to vote for you because they like what you are fighting for and how hard you are fighting for it and they want to help you get it done....