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Strategy better suited to the '70s and '80s when we are in this so-called information war where links are wielded like weapons and conservatives were trying to denigrate mueller's project each and every day. only history will say for sure, but a lot of folks who put their faith on robert mueller have to do re-evaluating now and even some of the findings in the report were damning on their own. it's now been more than three months since the report was publicized and has not moved public opinion in the dramatic fashion. i think it has, though, in the daily dribs and drabs way. we've seen several...

The president cannot obstruct himself. i'm struck by the fact that the president's legal team seemed to not see the friday idea that obstruction and collusion can be one in the same. they did not see this theory coming. does this mean the president has not been a good client to the lawyers? that's the part that has me scratching my head. bill barr went down this road and they all assumed it was one thing. it's almost like uh oh. it's not that at all. >> right. i don't think the president has been a very good client. we know that most good attorneys tell their clients not to talk about the case...

The russia investigation. and he installs in his place a lackey, whitaker, a fake attorney general, bypassing the senate entirely, and there's no precedent for this whatsoever. so the president is trying to stack the deck at every turn. he's trying to put his loyalists in at the justice department. he's trying to denigrate mueller. he's dangling pardons to those who don't cooperate and criticizing those that do. i mean, you know, there are people around the world that look this way, including leaders. they just happen to be dictators of third world countries, not the leader of the free world. ...

Tell me about that, neal. >> yeah. i mean it starts with the president firing comey because he's upset with the russia investigation. it continues as much as last month when he fires jeffrey sessions, not some liberal stalwart, because he's upset that sessions has recused from the russia investigation. and he installs in his place a lackey, whitaker, a fake attorney general, bypassing the senate entirely, and there's no precedent for this whatsoever. so the president is trying to stack the deck at every turn. he's trying to put his loyalists in at the justice department. he's trying to denigra...

I think that's the shift in tone because they know this investigation, this probe, is becoming more serious, it's escalating, looking into finances and other issues, as well. >> joyce, when you first heard this argument going against some of the players that mueller had hired, did you think it was kind of a ground softening operation to lay a predicate argument for potentially going after mueller or justifying his dismissal? >> we hear a lot of that coming out of the president specifically. he's trying to lay some ground work with his base to try to denigrate mueller, to try to indicate muelle...