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Lisa. katie, good to see you. i think one of the things that we re learning from this new superseding indictment is how many other trump employees have either been interviewed by the department of justice or have been subpoenaed by the special counsel s office for their testimony. this new superseding indictment obviously talks about trump employees 3, 4, and 5. those are people who either communicated with nauta and deoliveira or with each other. the superseding indictment is citing text messages between the folks or conversations with these folks that indicate as donald trump was about to get a new subpoena for security footage at mar-a-lago, he was also taking steps to ensure that deoliveira and nauta were both completely with him and that they would do whatever it took to try and obtain some of that security footage, which is reflected in two of the new ....
And facing years in prison, according to the allegations in this indictment, because of something donald trump wanted done. that s going to send a powerful message. these people are all presumed innocentle they ll have their defenses. but that s what the government is alleging in these new allegations. we re getting the superseding indictment as it rolls in. i m intrigued by the false statements count that deoliveira s looking at. because that gives stand alone exposure to deoliveira like it did to walt nauta. deoliveira has his own personal exposure standing separate and apart because of what he said to the federal government when he was interviewed back in january, as you said, of this year. has there been any indication in terms of whether or not deoliveira has maybe participated in anything in term of meeting with special counsel jack smith s team more so than ....
Storage room. let s go back the ken dilanian, nbc news justice correspondent. ken, some more thoughts about this superseding indictment, and once you have had the chance, which i know you have, to look it over? reporter: i have been reading the section which describes the attempt to delete security footage. and while nick and others have made the analogy to watergate, in a sense this also reads like a mafia plot. it s really remarkable. again, these are allegations, and they re based in part on anonymous trump employees designated as trump employee number four, for example. but the narrative as the special counsel lays it out is that in june of 2022, donald trump gets a subpoena for surveillance footage and that same day walt nauta is making plans to go down unexpectedly to mar-a-lago, to florida. and three days later, he s in a conversation with deoliveira ....
Ken dilanian, nbc news justice correspondent. he has some breaking news. ken, fill us in on even more breaking news happening in the last minute or so. reporter: katie, the justice department special counsel s office has now released, issued the superseding indictment filed against now three defendants, donald trump, walt nauta, and carlos deoliveira and these include four additional charges and i m going to read them to you. it add a new count 32, charging trump with one additional count of willful retention of national defense information. and then the superseing indictment also charges trump, deoliveira, and nauta with two new obstruction accounts, based on allegations they tried to delete surveillance footage at the mar-a-lago club in the summer of 2022. finally, the superseding indictment charges deoliveira with false statements and representations in a voluntary interview with the fbi on ....
Deoliveira and walt nauta although i m leaning towards deoliveira at this point be the voice of donald trump. if we re not going to hear donald trump speak, we have these men say what donald trump told them to do. it s pretty explicit from what we ve just read from the superseding indictment. your thoughts? you know, i just have to say this this was such a strong indictment before the superseded indictment. it really was. it was very hard to read this indictment and go, what s the defense here? i think your point is exactly right, katie, and everyone else s, which is lots of questions about why now, but certainly an indicator that this is just shoring up what is already a very strong indictment, and in a context which has also been noted by many, which is a judge that has proven to lean towards trump in ways that were pretty surprising to us earlier, but also a ....