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Again trying to minimize his role in the campaign, but also accusing the justice deparent of, quote, doing a number on him. i want to bring in nbc investigations reporter tim winter. we need to -- we need to first say that mr. manafort, tom, has pleaded not guilty. what is this new evidence against mr. manafort and what does it all mean? >> there's two cases going on against paul manafort. there's one in the district of columbia. there's one in the eastern district of virginia. he faces indictments in both. in the d.c. case last night, there's a filing from the prosecutors. and they say there ...

Oppose, wait for it president trump's tariffs. they will use a free trade campaign to call for president trump to, quote, reduce or eliminate trade barriers through international agreements. the plan will be carried out through media buys, activist education, grass roots mobilization, lobbying and policy analysis. imagine if rich people didn't have to spend money on that. we could spend it on like great programs to improve schools. tim phillips is the president of americans for prosperity, one of the groups behind this push from the koch political net work and bill cohn back with me. lay out f...

Absolutely are. we don't yet see any positive results. the president has made a lot of noise, but it's unclear if this leverage is going to work. and i just want to make that one final point on autos and automakers. it's important to focus on auto imports. it's also important to remember a lot of those foreign automakers make their cars right here. i would think that lindsey graham in the state of south carolina are certainly concerned about those european automakers and plants they have and the jobs they offer to americans. i really appreciate you being here. >> i appreciate you having me. ...