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Thinking even if i get convicted i still may get a pardon. that s a big risk. he obviously has a lot on the table. sandra: based on everything you just said is it fair to say this is the first big test of the mueller probe? well, i wouldn t call it part of the mueller probe. i think this is a case that probably would have been brought irrespective of the appointment of a special counsel. wrongdoing the alleged wrongdoing was discovered in connection with the mueller probe but it is quite possible that this would have come to light in any event. and so i don t really consider this part of the russia probe. i think this is simply a case where bob mueller has found evidence that an american citizen has engaged in bank fraud and tax evasion and so because it does come out of his investigation of russian meddling, the mandate given to him by rod rosenstein, allows him to go forward with this prosecution and that s what he is doing. bill: i think kellyanne conway agrees with you. ....
Has really i think established a strong predicate for successful prosecution here. i think we re on the eve i think the chances of paul manafort trying to reach some kind of deal has passed us and i think the trial is going to proceed and we have to see the case be laid out by the prosecution. by all accounts paul manafort believes he is innocent and will be able to be successful in this trial. that remains to be seen. i had a lot of confidence in bob mueller when he was my f.b.i. director. i suspect he has done his homework and worked with the team and has a strong case. we ll have to see what happens. i don t know whether paul manafort believes he is innocent. i assume he does. there is a lot of risk for him and his liberty. perhaps he is also hoping or anticipating that if unsuccessful the president may pardon him. we ll have to wait and see. that s a long shot. i don t think you go into this ....
The high-profile proceedings where special counsel robert mueller s team alleges there are $60 million he earned over the years lobbying or consulting for politicians in ukraine that never popped up on a pay stub. the judge in this case, t.s. ellis, has said in the course of these proceedings it is his opinion the mueller team is using the financial charges that have nothing to do with the 2016 election to get manafort to dish dirt on the trump campaign but he thought about it and allowed the trial to continue anyway. the mueller team in the courtroom is led by andrew wiseman whose specialties are organized crime services in the d.o.j. manafort s lawyers made a big stir when they arrived this morning led by kevin downing who worked for years on the other side as the justice department tax case prosecutor and the manafort team s job is to get the jury, being selected this morning, to think like president trump who has said ....
The president. and the judge referred to that in may. so how does that factor into this trial? that has the virtue of being both true and something that you are allowed to do if you re a prosecutor. it is a common thing even though it s not a pretty thing that prosecutors like to talk about but it is a common thing for them to squeeze people for information to try to make a case on other people. bill: the prosecutors have said in court already there is no mention of russia in this trial. how is that possible? he was working for a pro-russian politician in ukraine and made a lot of money doing it. it doesn t have anything to do with the 2016 election. the rationale for mueller s investigation is russia interfered with the 2016 election and the suspicion that the trump campaign, which supposedly benefited from that, may have had some participation in it. but this case, while it has been called the first test of mueller s investigation, to my mind really isn t. it s a test of whethe ....
Success on that. very close on the mid-terms. big rally for ron desantis in florida. maybe on the west coast of florida as well in tight elections. barack obama lost 63 seats in his first mid-term of 2010. this week he had a message about a possible shutdown over the lack of fund funding for a wall on the southern border. how does it help the case, a government shutdown for a mid-term election that you know will be closely watched? the president is focused on the other part of that, immigration. it is completely concerning to us, frustration at this point as to why congress won t do its job and pass meaningful immigration reform. this president couldn t be more clear for the last three plus years on what he thinks about a broken immigration system. he repeated it again yesterday and catch and release, releasing people into the interior of this country. ending chain migration, going to a merit-based system of ....