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Earlier, russia's inching toward a pariah status, that's exactly right. that's a big surprise to them and it's making them squirm. we need to keep the heat on. >> the next question is, is this working? do you think this is making them reconsider? are they starting to get worried what this means for russia on the national stage? >> i think so. what we've seen with the olympics is a perfect example. they've really squirmed because they stepped into a trap they set for themselves. on the one hand, putin said to his own public, we're going to stand up to the depraved west, protect our cultural val...

A pariah status, that's exactly right. that's a big surprise to them and it's making them squirm. we need to keep the heat on. >> the next question is, is this working? do you think this is making them reconsider? are they starting to get worried what this means for russia on the national stage? >> i think so. what we've seen with the olympics is a perfect example. they've really squirmed because they stepped into a trap they set for themselves. on the one hand, putin said to his own public, we're going to stand up to the depraved west, protect our cultural values. we're not going to let those...

Do you think this is making them reconsider? are they starting to get worried what this means for russia on the national stage? >> i think so. what we've seen with the olympics is a perfect example. they've really squirmed because they stepped into a trap they set for themselves. on the one hand, putin said to his own public, we're going to stand up to the depraved west, protect our cultural values. we're not going to let those homosexuals who are a sign of the apocalypse as the patriarch told us, we're not going to let them enter our country. on the other hand, the olympics is his personal pr...