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You know, it's hard to stop everything, but is this a security failure of sorts? >> well, it's a very difficult one to say at this particular time, michael, with the little bit of information that we have. but i think my speculation will draw more to the deradicalization programs run here in the united kingdom. and this is under the bearer of what we call the contest strategy. one of the biggest tests we face when a radical individual is convicted and sent to prison, the problem is they can then also make others susceptible. and there was an awful lot of recruitment that actually takes place i...

Guys set to come out over the next several years. >> sandra: on that point, john, don't overlook that point. you are calling for a major review of how we're dealing with imprisoned terrorists. many more are coming on in the next few years. what are the chances that review process can take place before we see another early release like this one? >> i think it has to happen immediately. we've got to figure out is the bureau of prisons actually talking to our national security apparatus? is there active monitoring of these people while they're incarcerated to figure out what their views are? are ...

Wanted to leave would be arrested or killed at least that's about what they claim so rather than let's talk about what happens to them if they if they do come back i'm aware of what sort of level of success countries are had with sort of the radicalization programs for returning i asked fighters and associates. what it's pretty early in a note very few functioning examples of such programs because most countries believed to still either die or we can we can mostly refuse to take him which is legally impossible and alien ethical but since you ask there isn't one country and particularly one cit...

Qaeda around a decade ago when it was defeated. there were only a few members left after the u.s. led a search campaign to target the group. however, you know, a few years later, before isis emerged from the ashes of al qaeda and iraq. so, we have to remember that military defeat is not enough. you need a comprehensive long-term strategy. i emphasize the word very. we really need, i would say, a ten-year strategy to handle the isis aftermath. deradicalization programs, addressing with governments, the context of syria, the political situation is a huge role in why isis existed and will exist a...

Enough in my view to really fully counter isis. we have seen similar sixes in the past in afghanistan. even in iraq, whereas rolling back troops to the bare minimum and we've had jihadists extremist groups come back. so as i said, the battle is far from over. >> what about the situation around isis brides or children born into the caliphate forced to live in these camps that are out there. what is the path for them in your view? what happens? >> welsh when it comes to those who come from western countries, like the uk or the u.s., i think that they have to be brought back to these countries an...