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Desantis camp basically is donald trump has not made a final decision or not announced a final decision. maybe he has made a final decision, about what he's going to do in 2024. i think there is plenty of evidence that the desantis people are positioning themselves regarding 2024, especially if trump does not run. if trump doesn't run, it's abundantly clear desantis is very well positioned. desantis and trump, while they are allies an while they communicate occasionally, yeah, there is not -- desantis is not basically waiting to hear from donald trump before he does something. he's going to do...

Donald trump both running in 2024, what do you think the donors are going to do, al? >> well, we had that in 2016 in florida where marco rubio decided to run against his mentor jeb bush, right? so, for floridians having two people from the state of florida running in a primary is nothing new. i don't know what's going to happen. a lot will depend on numbers and so forth. but i know donald trump's worried about it. he's got roger stone here in florida taking a look at what's going on. in the desantis camp. and we'll see. but, you know, ron desantis has to run for governor. he's doing very well ...

Motivated, since so much of the prison system is african-american. i think they see disenfranchisement in the state of florida, that will be a motivator. he's basically saying amendment 4 alone on its own will do the motivating. i wonder when democrats look back on this election, i wonder if they think bill nelson had done what joe biden did for barack obama and sort of reverse this attempt by the desantis camp to paint andrew gillum as a criminal, scary black guy, it's just a question people have been asking me. do you think as a strategic matter that might have helped? >> no question about i...

The margins? they'll be blue unless there's something very strange happening tonight. the question of the margins, again, especially in a state like florida. which is just so close to the end and so you see these first wave of votes come in, in the campaigns, you say, you watch, and then you wait. then you wait. and if the scott campaign, they know. they have people on the ground in every county. did they turn out their people today in numbers roughly around the number they thought they needed? >> let's go back to the governor's race in florida. gillum looks like he's ahead by 25,640 votes. >>...