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And the first desperate act of the 2016 campaign. >> they don't look like today's men by the way. out of date. thank you howard fineman and joan walsh. i knew you'd love this one. i loved it to. coming up, one person watching today was vice president joe biden. yes, there are still 1,385 days until the next election day but there is plenty of talk he is out for the presidency. could this be the great primary fight of the democratic history? plus new thoughts from pro-gun people. new thoughts if you tall them that. one says citizens should have the same weaponry as the u.s. military so they...

>> last thought, joan. that's the sniping she took today. >> that's an ignorant person. that's an ignorant person. she took it well. her anger as howard said was strategic. she was dignified. she won. >> i think she was very good at answering the key worst case argument against her that somehow the day of the event that facility was under fire and those people were about to get killed, did she turn down the request for help. that never happened. the worst case argument was gone so they had to go back to the old argument that somebody said something on "meet the press" they shouldn't have said ...

They shouldn't have said to which we still don't know the answer because the fbi investigation is still underway. >> the way to look at this is the last act of the 2012 republicans. and the first desperate act of the 2016 campaign. >> they don't look like today's men by the way. out of date. thank you howard fineman and joan walsh. i knew you'd love this one. i loved it to. coming up, one person watching today was vice president joe biden. yes, there are still 1,385 days until the next election day but there is plenty of talk he is out for the presidency. could this be the great primary figh...