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Sheet and that invincibility is going to continue to entrench itself next to trump. i think if democrats go after him, the loser-ness has to expand into a national conversation. which is, look, he said he was going to build a wall. he didn't. he said he'd balance the budget immediately. he didn't do it. if you don't know obamacare, you still have it. if you voted for -- i mean, you can go through the list. biden used to say it all the time. >> this is like having an abusive partner. these republicans and trump. trump is their abusive partner. the question is, when are -- sometimes there's that...

Somewhere saying, look, by the way, this is not about the bogus issues you're talking about. it is about paving roads and balaning budgets. let's be real here, it is really hard to lose a re-election campaign if you're donald trump. i don't know why you're asking for more of this. this is republicans talking to republicans. it makes them uncomfortable. it makes the president uncomfortable, makes him angry and drives him nuts, as an added benefit. i am an advocate of this, not as someone giving strategic advice but someone who likes to air truths and thinks it isparties, you're democrats or rep...

Representatives, to lose the united states senate. they know democrats got to put somebody new on the supreme court because of what donald trump did in georgia. he single-handedly destroyed republicans' chances of maintaining the senate by what he did in georgia. he is doing it again with herschel walker. he's chosen the wrong person again in the georgia gubernatorial race. i guess the question is, is this a strategy, since republicans aren't going to implement it, that democrats just, i mean, need to do it? for people going, he is the kingmaker in the republican party, oh, is he really? there...

>> willie, jump in. >> your first for the "atlantic" is titled "just call trump a loser." mark writes this, quote, trump's bizarre and enduring hold over his party has made it verboten for many republicans to even utter publicly the unpleasant fact of his defeat. something they'll readily acknowledge in private. i caught up recently, writes mark, with several trump-opposing republican strategists and former associates of the president who argue this should end. the best way to impose trump in 2024 will be to call him a loser as early and brutally as possible, and keep pointing out the absurdit...

Presidential election by donald trump. then he refused to do it. he is getting absolutely crushed in georgia which, you know, georgia is kind of the new florida. it is georgia, georgia, georgia. it's a critical state in 2024. >> yeah. i mean, i think democrats would have to do so differently. i think republicans can sort of speak as fellow team members here. they can say, look, you know, you keep -- republicans have basically underperformed in every election since 2016, you know, compared to their earlier ones. i think trump, when he is on the ballot, he actually brings a lot of base out to vo...