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were convicted today of seditious conspiracy. it's a rarely used, often difficult to prove charge. a fifth member was acquitted of seditious conspiracy, but he has been convicted on other very serious charges, including obstruction of an official proceeding and assaulting an officer. but today's verdict means so far 14 people, including members of another far right group, the oath keepers, have either pleaded guilty or been found guilty of conspireing and plotting a violent overthrow of the united states government. this victory by the justice department, while it is a milestone and ...

One is in that it has to be the ultimate answer. it has to be taking this on in terms of hearts and minds. i don't think from merrick garland's perspective and that's my way of looking at things, it's a narrower view. there's a mission to keep the country safe. he is going to be focused very much on how these groups are now operating. as i mentioned, they are decentralizing. that makes it a harder issue. you can be sure that will not deter the department from following those. it makes it a harder thing to do. that can't be the ultimate answer. then it's like wham-a-mole. you keep on trying to ...

>> that cannot be proven. you don't know if imposing sanctions earlier would have had more of a deterrent affect -- >> the secretary canceled his meeting with lavrov, but you remain open for diplomacy. what would you want to see from russia in order to reschedule that meeting and in order to resume some kind of diplomacy, you know, diplomatic agreement between you, and just additionally, this is the last sanctions, the nord stream 2 sanctions that just came out, so is there more coming, more actions that will be taken if

Have. if you decide to have a policy whereby you prosecute every single person who presents himself or herself somewhere along the border for consideration for amnesty and you charge all of them, which is a misdemeanor, you have to take care you are not harming them in a disproportionate way. as one of the judges said in the last couple of days, it's been reported incredulous there was no way for the prosecutor to happen what happened to this person's child. when you arrest somebody, and you take material from them or documents from them or a telephone from them or some other property, they in...

They are doing it because they think they can get away with it and they need to be held responsible in a variety of ways. >> we hear that all options are on the table. we are hearing that the white house is calling for tougher sanctions and further icalate iran from the world community. do you believe that sanctions have an impact at all. >> i think they have impact. but i have not seen deterrent affect. main option that we have imposed so far it is to motivate to abandon the nuclear weapon program. it has had some affect but not the intended out come we wanted to see. cand the iranians export...