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On north korea, any pressure that china puts on north korea is going to have the desired effect. this is north korea's primary objective is to develop this deterrent capability and they're going to do it regardless of what it costs them, because they believe that once they do that, then they will have leverage against any kind of sanctions or pressure from the outside. so you know, they're going to be playing a long game. i don't think china will do much for us. they macon dem the test, but i don't think this is going to be a game changer. >> i want to be clear when it comes to the situation o...

South korea, even japan. that's why the thaad missile defense system in place in south korea is so important. it is why the south koreans are talking now about even expanding that -- >> only one deployment. >> only one deployment, subject of much political debate in seoul as you know, andrea. they now have rethought that. and now they're thinking about it further about expanding that program. that's a system that the north koreans don't like because it takes away at least some of their deterrent capability. the chinese don't like it either. the missile defense system is one tool in the tool ki...

That's required to protect that nuclear warhead and when it reenters. you know, and the north koreans are good engineers. they'll figure this out. so i think we would be foolish to underestimate them. and i think we've all been taken a little by surprise been how fast and how effective this program has been, and i do agree with cedric, that no matter what we promise the north koreans, they're not going to give up this program. this is their ace in the hole. this is their deterrent capability. this makes them not just a third world country. >> yeah, it gives them the protection, the insurance t...

The voice of south korea. as you know, a lot of the artillery that the north koreans have have decimated seoul. we have to develop a deterrent capability as well as going forward and influence the north koreans. >> heather: thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate your insight. >> thank you, heather. >> leland: coming in right now, new reaction to the president's decision to hold off on his pledge to move the u.s. embassy to tel aviv -- from tel aviv to jerusalem. what supporters and opponents are saying about his impact on the pursuit of peace in the middle east. former fbi director ja...

Do more nuclear weapons really add to the deterrent capability to be nonproliferation capability and influence of the united states? because, look, for the last 48 hours, 24 or so, it is not just russia and the u.s. engaging in this dialogue. this is being watched very closely by other nuclear powers. by china, by north korea. by iran. pakistan. india. all of the countries that may have very small nuclear arsenal but do have them, watched perhaps by terrorists groups very savvy on these matters and want to know exactly where the seams may be they could exploit in their effort to potentially ge...