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Learned today. i do want to ask you on a raw news level of at the very end of the hearing one of your colleagues, liz cheney dropped a bombshell about president trump having contacted witness and that in formation is being forward on of the department of justice. she was implying about witness tampering. is that the correct inference to draw from her remarks and can you tell us anymore about that? >> i think the vice chair definitely wanted to send a message about witness tampering, because this is a pattern we've noticed for a long time now. that there are people who are trying to get in touc...

Plan. so i mean, under your -- you know, i understand where you're -- where you're coming from but i think for the biden administration, they're like, you know what? this has to be a deterrent because if we let this group of people under the bridge, what about -- what message does that send to everybody else who is waiting in line? >> the deterrent message, i think, has not come out clearly from the biden administration. it seems like sometimes they choose it, and sometimes they don't. and it's not really clear that that deterrent message will actually deter anybody from coming. it hasn't work...

And they chose to falsify my report and to not only minimize my abuse but silence me yet again. >> usa gymnastics and the united states olympic and paralympic committee and the fbi have all betrayed me and those who were abused by larry nassar after i reported. >> the fbi and others within usg and uspc knew that nassar molested children. >> wednesday the most deorated gymnast of all time, simone biles, asked the same question when three years ago, she made the world aware of nassar's abuse. >> i ask that you be guided by what rachel and others have asked. how much is a little girl worth? >> ho...

Measured response. what do you make of the timing of this now, michael? is it because we had this hard line regime that's about to be inaugurated in iran, the former chief justice of iran's supreme court will become the president there and he said again and again we aren't doing any nuclear deal with the united states until they agree to give us some kind of sanction relief. what do you make of the timing? >> you know, it may be, trace, the timing is just a matter of the internal u.s. process. there have been so many attacks and they just run out of patience or the intelligence was available. ...

Of this, and that is we have this new policy from the federal government that attorney general sessions and president trump and steve miller and john kelly, the chief of staff, have put together that decided to do they call it zero tolerance, but a better name for it is zero humanity, and there's zerop log -- zero logic to this policy. the administration is arguing that by inflicting this harm on children and parents, this stress, that they are sending a message, a deterrent message for people not to seek asylum in the united states. it's completely unacceptable under any moral code or under a...