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We were unprepared for russian response. We got a russian response and we were caught flat footed. Thats poor policy making. Thats what we need. Again, we need to engage russia and have a better idea of what theyre really thinking about, what their capabilities are, and then fashioning a policy that gets us where we want to get if not tomorrow over time. And its been bad for us, but also bad for ukraine because were in a situation where we made this commitment that we are likely not going to follow through on anytime soon, and at the same time ukraine has had crimea taken away, has been subjec...

We were unprepared for russian response. We got a russian response and we were caught flat footed. Thats poor policy making. Thats what we need. Again, we need to engage russia and have a better idea of what theyre really thinking about, what their capabilities are, and then fashioning a policy that gets us where we want to get if not tomorrow over time. And its been bad for us, but also bad for ukraine because were in a situation where we made this commitment that we are likely not going to follow through on anytime soon, and at the same time ukraine has had crimea taken away, has been subjec...

We were unprepared for russian response. We got a russian response and we were caught flat footed. Thats poor policy making. Thats what we need. Again, we need to engage russia and have a better idea of what theyre really thinking about, what their capabilities are, and then fashioning a policy that gets us where we want to get if not tomorrow over time. And its been bad for us, but also bad for ukraine because were in a situation where we made this commitment that we are likely not going to follow through on anytime soon, and at the same time ukraine has had crimea taken away, has been subjec...

Elena. Whats the alternative universe that you want to create . So tom and paul are making a case that we have a lot of interests, may not like everything that russia does, but we have to talk to them and get done what we can and tom had a list of things which if those are on your list to do, russia could play a role. Whats the alternative . Well, the alternative is that we have some sort of tougher policy towards russia. There have to be consequences for what it has done on the International Order for its invasion of sovereign country, its mass murder of civilians in syria. That tougher polic...

Elena. Whats the alternative universe that you want to create . So tom and paul are making a case that we have a lot of interests, may not like everything that russia does, but we have to talk to them and get done what we can and tom had a list of things which if those are on your list to do, russia could play a role. Whats the alternative . Well, the alternative is that we have some sort of tougher policy towards russia. There have to be consequences for what it has done on the International Order for its invasion of sovereign country, its mass murder of civilians in syria. That tougher polic...