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Damage. i'm gonna go in, i'm gonna look around, i'm gonna see how things work. and i'll leave without disturbing anything. would most hackers say that that's okay? >> thomas: yes. yes. >> anthony: it's in the service of knowledge, that's -- >> thomas: that's okay for most the hackers in our communities. i was lucky, i got into a very big, big hacker community here in shanghai and met a lot of great mentors. >> anthony: started in business at 21? >> thomas: exactly. >> anthony: quite an accomplishment. >> thomas: i didn't go to the college. >> anthony: you didn't go to college? >> thomas: i did...

College? >> thomas: i didn't go to the college. >> anthony: why not? >> thomas: most professors are way behind the, uh, the -- the development speed of the communities. >> anthony: why? your -- >> thomas: because -- >> anthony: your country is so advanced in so many other ways, why in this area? >> thomas: it's a network problem here in china. uh, we have the gfw. it's a great firewall and it blocked a lot of, uh, important information websites inside china and a lot of people they cannot get the cutting-edge technologies. >> anthony: right. >> thomas: which we don't teach in college at all. >...

And i'll leave without disturbing anything. would most hackers say that that's okay? >> thomas: yes. yes. >> anthony: it's in the service of knowledge, that's -- >> thomas: that's okay for most the hackers in our communities. i was lucky, i got into a very big, big hacker community here in shanghai and met a lot of great mentors. >> anthony: started in business at 21? >> thomas: exactly. >> anthony: quite an accomplishment. >> thomas: i didn't go to the college. >> anthony: you didn't go to college? >> thomas: i didn't go to the college. >> anthony: why not? >> thomas: most professors are way ...

Breaking in to a -- an information base. >> thomas: yes. >> anthony: i'm not doing any damage. i'm gonna go in, i'm gonna look around, i'm gonna see how things work. and i'll leave without disturbing anything. would most hackers say that that's okay? >> thomas: yes. yes. >> anthony: it's in the service of knowledge, that's -- >> thomas: that's okay for most the hackers in our communities. i was lucky, i got into a very big, big hacker community here in shanghai and met a lot of great mentors. >> anthony: started in business at 21? >> thomas: exactly. >> anthony: quite an accomplishment. >> tho...

You love to share recipes to other friends who, like, who love cooking as well. >> anthony: legally, there might be something wrong with it. but morally, do you think there's anything wrong with, like, you're essentially breaking in to a -- an information base. >> thomas: yes. >> anthony: i'm not doing any damage. i'm gonna go in, i'm gonna look around, i'm gonna see how things work. and i'll leave without disturbing anything. would most hackers say that that's okay? >> thomas: yes. yes. >> anthony: it's in the service of knowledge, that's -- >> thomas: that's okay for most the hackers in our ...