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End of the economic road there, and that's where they are. >> devil's advocate. in a world addicted to dinosaur juice, how should oil companies be? they wake up every morning to fulfill our addiction to oil and gas. what should they be doing? how should they be behaving that they have not been? >> the thing that is interesting to me in the big picture for this book is that i think we really underestimate oil and gas' geopolitical influence. like, for example, magic wand if you can imagine the climate activists getting everything they want. america and every other big economy on earth says, you...

Helping them drill what they need to drill to keep their economy going. >> i also say the economy of texas is larger than the economy of russia. >> yes, that's exactly right. russia is 150 million people. their economy is smaller than texas, smaller than italy, smaller than south korea. they have one industry, and that was a putin decision because he really wanted to use oil and gas as a weapon. and so he allowed -- he didn't want a diversified economy. you need a sort of real country in order to have that. he allowed this be their one industry. he consolidated it all within its own power. tha...

Sorno couldn't intimidate me, these little creeps aren't going to intimidate me. >> i have to play devil's advocate. attorney-client privilege doesn't necessarily to apply to everything you do. >> of course not. >> laura: you have to be representing him in a legal capacity. >> my client doesn't waive, i have to be careful i don't make a mistake. i have to interpreted expansively. >> and i remember, this is a law for her can't rely on attorney-client congressional testimony, made for the purposes of obtaining legal advice. it does not protect for instance communications your attorney might have...

Aren't going to intimidate me. spoon i have to play devil's advocate. attorney-client privilege doesn't necessarily to apply to everything you do. >> of course not. it's. >> laura: you have to be representing him in a legal capacity. >> i have to be careful i don't make a mistake. i have to interpreted expansively. >> and i remember, this is a law for her can't rely on attorney-client congressional testimony, made for the purposes of obtaining legal advice. it does not protect for instance communications or attorney might have with foreign government officials or with u.s. government. >> that'...

To produce bad outcomes and be bad for democracy. not just on foreign interference, but obviously, on domestic as well, and not just for democrats. this is for everybody. to my mind, that's just horrible for democracy. >> but roger, to that point, realistically, and just to play devil's advocate, is it realistic to expect companies to fact check and then police the lies that politicians -- politicians come on the air all the time and lie. you had corey lewandowski stand in congress and say i have no obligation to tell the truth to the media, when he appeared on this show and other shows. why s...