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Need to be accepting of here in el paso. >> commission, he let me play devil's advocate for just a moment here. because one of the roles historically one of the roles of the president is consoler and chief when terrible things happen in our country, the president of the united states is the one that is supposed to bring us together. unite us. make us feel better. console us. does the president deserve any level of appreciation for his attempt at playing the role? >> well, you know, i think this incident is very distinct from most others because the perpetrator of these crimes, you know, the la...

Grenade and toss it. see what happens. that was a dumb thing to do. the reality is that if you start saying that we're going to let folks coming across the border have no criminal penalty, and we're going to allow them to get access to free health care. through medicaid programs. then you are going to lose a whole slew of voters. that aren't crazy about donald trump. that are not going to go there. it really would be i think a very difficult thing to overcome in states like michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania. iowa. north carolina. the states that we really need to win. >> i interrupted you e...

Conspirac conspiracy, there is a boy who cried wolf and nothing was as serious. so that's a problem -- >> and rise to the level of -- it didn't rise to criminal. >> criminal, right. precisely. i think now the republicans, if they are smart, i know they want to self-medicate and feed their base about the investigating the investigators but if they are smart, all they need to do, they are going into the fourth quarter now ahead. all they have to do is say didn't you say no criminal conspiracy mr. mueller and aren't you saying you're not ready to commit on a question -- these -- >> let me just pl...

All they have to do is say didn't you say no criminal conspiracy, mr. mueller, and aren't you saying you're not ready to commit on a question -- these -- >> let me just play devil's advocate here. if you read the report, you say -- where it says it didn't rise -- the evidence didn't rise to the level, yes, it wasn't sufficient. doesn't that have to do, does it have to do with how barr summarized the report in someway and that's public opinion? because you're saying they got out in front but if you read the report. >> there is evidence of illegal conduct not -- in my opinion just not sufficient...

Politically and out on the streets. it's dangerous. not only new york city. it's more prominent to new york city because they let him get away with everything over here. but it is sending a message across the united states united states. >> harris: i want to point out the reason i play devil's advocate on that is because people push back with that. but there's nothing in these instances to say that something triggers something else. i want to give you last word. >> everyone has to take a deep breath and sit back and say -- when you lose your first line of defense, which is the police officers,...