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Wemple at the "washington post." what are you hearing went went down here? >> he may be returning to his. mu perch at the top of breitbart. that was the position which he ran this website. it was very much big on the ideology that he favors. which is, you know nationalist, antifree trade, antiglobalist. a hard line on immigration. and those are the positions that he had a mind held with president trump on. and as pointed out in the book "devils bargain." they were casting about for a candidate that agreed with him and he found one in trump. i think his departure from the white house detainee m...

Circles like that. that is potentially a problem. steve bannon has as much for himself, there's a certain selfish motivation. >> saturday remarks were a reflection of steve bannon. >> a lot. >> he wasn't there. maggie had reported in the times today when we had her on earlier that in general, bannon has warned the president about speaking out too much against far right groups who are a small part of his support, but a -- >> absolutely. everybody should read joshua green's terrific book, devils bargain about steve bannon and his role in the trump campaign. what you see is how much bannon was ...

We saw david duke saying he was part of the president trump white house because they thought they had the same values. we saw the kkk newspaper embrace donald trump during the 2016 election. the reality is that these groups th that president trump hasn't named think he's with them. >> it was exactly a year ago that hillary clinton gave a speech in which she laid out this very dark vision of donald trump and his language giving a safe space to these exact kind of people. >> right. >> why doesn't the trump administration now that he's president, aggressively call out these folks out. i'm not tal...

Candidate trump came under intense pressure to condemn the alt-right movement himself, but refused. in the book "devil's bargain." we polled the race stuff and it doesn't matter. michael, i've got to get back to you. i'm fascinated by what you overheard. i understand nationalism, our country is in a world that has to compete. i think we get involved in wars we shouldn't get involved in it or not in our national interests. how do you exclude african-americans from america. they've been in this country, not exactly by their own volition, but here since the 14th, 15th century. they beat all of us...

Elected. we should call him president bannon. >> stick that knife in there, joe. >> no, everybody should read this book, because you just come away from it thinking that steve bannon was responsible for everything that happened good to donald trump. great work, josh. >> almost the reason why he's in the white house, is that what you're saying joe? >> that's my argument. i don't think steve bannon would say that if you had him on the show. i don't think trump gets elected president without steve bannon as chief strategist because of his politics and year's long effort to tear down hillary clint...