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You in the board room. >> see you in the board room? president trump talking about the board room, that might have worked on the apprentice, but in the white house it's called the cabinet room, where he did meet with the full cabinet. so let's get the inside scoop, we couldn't do better than having carol lee, nbc news national reporter, and michael lee, senior corporate for business week, and author of the book "devil's bargain." boy, is your timing great? just producing a book takes however long to write it, but you're out with the book at exactly the right time, we all want to talk about thi...

Exa -- disciplinarian. the things you need. i heard on anderson cooper's show, josh green, who's written a book called "devil's bargain." that that morning josh had been on "new day" with chris christie and alisyn camerota and in the course of the interview mr. scaramucci called in and got into a debate on-air on the phone with chris. fine enough. the problem is, that while that was going on, josh green was getting texts from people inside the white house dissing mr. scaramucci. that's not a good thing. i mean, you've got to have a discipline and a white house staff has to be orderly and not b...

Leaks. >> we get phone calls like that all the time. we're getting more of them these days because, ryan, i'm sure it's true in your experience as well, never had a white house leak as much as this one does. why they do it is worthy of discussion. ryan, thank you for the reporting. always good to have you on. get back to the kids. joining us is our panel, david chalian, cnn political director, a.b. stoddard of realclearpolitics and josh green senior correspondent and author of "devil's bargain, steve bannon, donald trump and the storming of the presidency." i know you've been listening along...

For years to defeat hillary clinton when she would run for president. you wrote that bannon had built a trap that snapped shut on clinton. explain that. >> well, most people know of steve bannon from about the time -- they date his emergence in the popular culture, about the time he took over trump's campaign in august 2016, and helped guide trump to his upset victory. the other story i del in "devil's bargain" is the fact that steve bannon backed by a secretive right wing billionaire family, the mercers, had spent years before that build up this series of interlocking conservative organizatio...

Havm, josh green who is out with a new book titled "devil's bargain." steve bannon, donald trump and the storming of the presidency. first of all, josh, you went to college with sean spicer? >> he was a year ahead of me in college. i used to hang out with spicer at keg parties. >> is that true? are you surprised that after all he has dealt with and all the indignities, it was actual the the idea of reporting to anthony scaramucci that was the bridge too far for him? >> i am a little surprised, but we went to a northeastern liberal arts college. spicer was a republican. there weren't many of th...