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Judge kavanaugh. jeff flake, it is over. oh, yes, it turns out it was a drinking game. other friends get sworn statements. apparently you were a bunch of geeks and never played it. >> you have to give him some credit, he seems to know a lot about it. he what is this for news? it is okay to pick out a catholic, that is one thing we learned through this process. what is this philosophy? drinking games, "devils triangle" ." that could be racist too. >> laura: a black hole? speak up when to be careful on my end. >> laura: of not going anywhere near that. fantastic segment. we will stay on the leak...

Eventually it gets out there, somebody goes and tries to ambush the person or hang out or stalk them. that is how it eventually gets printed. i believe that christine ford was pop mike pressured >> laura: this was also regarding what is it called? "devils triangle" ." this was don lemon last night. let's watch. >> how did he sign it? >> he signs it, fff. >> boy, he likes making's to make fun that stuttering guy. do a google search. that is not stuttering. "devils triangle" is not a drinking game. if he knows that, everybody else does except for some senators. >> laura: left [laughs]

Politics in general has not figured out yet how to deal properly with these kinds of allegations. >> i agree with that. i think steve is right, to some degree the third allegation was much more salacious. obviously the first one was quite serious. and we spent a lot of time talking about what boofing meant or devil's triangle meant, which is ridiculous, but there was not a lot of examination about her, her background. you know what, in this big public domain, there was also an attitude, how dare you even question it. she made a very serious allegation. >> steve kornacki, 1998, ken starr. i've ...

The record. eventually it gets out there and someone goes and tries to ambush the person or hang out for a stock them, and that is how eventually it comes about. i believe christine ford was pressured to go public. >> laura: there are things we have to focus on here. this is also regarding whether the triangle -- the devil's triangle. this was chris cuomo and don lemon last night, let's watch. >> how does he sign it? >> he finds it ffff. >> he sure likes making fun of that stuttering guy. >> that is not stuttering. that is not stuttering, do a google search. and devils triangle is not a drinki...

It's possible that i'm forgetting something, but nothing comes to mind. >> okay. so whatever issues he's talking about, you're not sure. you also said that when judge kavanaugh was asked under oath about certain terms in his yearbook, boofing and devil's triangle, he said those were about flatulence and devil's triangle is a drinking game. you say -- that's been disputed by other people. you say you know that that is not true. can you just explain how you know that and you say you actually heard brett kavanaugh and his friends or at least someone else in the room using those terms in a way tha...