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I think is revealed throughout both the papadopoulos situation where he lied during an fbi interview when they warned him that lying is a federal offense, as well as throughout the manafort indictment that indicates lying in a whole host of other contexts. >> nick, what leapt out to you? we can talk about manafort and gates. but i want to talk about papadopoulos. what leapt out to you? >> what leapt out to me is he started cooperating in july. this was kept quiet until today. to me, that says that they had him out there playing dial a crook, calling people with a wiretapped phone, meeting with...

Really spending his remaining active years in federal prison, not a good proposition. >> when you look at the team that robert mueller has assembled. for example, andrew wiseman, he's expected to be an expert on colleagues. the go to guy when it comes to appeals cases. greg andreas who once managed a justice department program, targeting illegal foreign bribery. if you have papadopoulos as a cooperating witness, what do you have him doing? >> if it were my cooperating witness, don't forget, he started cooperating in july. i'd have him start playing dial a crook and meet a crook, wearing a wire...

Manafort indictment that indicates lying in a whole host of other contexts. >> nick, what leapt out to you? we can talk about manafort and gates. but i want to talk about papadopoulos. what leapt out to you? >> what leapt out to me is he started cooperating in july. this was kept quiet until today. to me, that says that they had him out there playing dial a crook, calling people with a wiretapped phone, meeting with people, wearing a wire. there are all kinds of people. look how many different campaign officials were mentioned in that information. not by name, but simply by position. and if i ...