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Democrat intellectual with huge influence in the democrat party, he wrote a little reported book, the disuniting of america. throughout the book, he talks about how ethnicities and creeds, and backgrounds, and the celebrating of each, and that indoctrine nation and classroom and teaching of each, and immigration that is not curbed or controlled, will lead to the destruction of the united states that is alter schlessinger jr. you can look it up. then dick lamb former democrat governor of colorado, gave a famous speech in dc in 2003. it was my secret plan to destroy america. i have a secret plan

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To be prepared to be giving back some stuff. and that's going to be the hard, hard test of not just the next two debates but the next term of whoever gets to be president is how we begin to dial down the sense of entitlement across the board in this country and how we rearrange that. and i think both sides have gone to kind of their extreme positions. and it's in the middle somewhere. >> yeah. absolutely. >> reporter: downsizing democracy. that's what dick lamb calls it. that was a great line from the former governor of colorado, how do you have this debate about downsizing democracy? it's a t...

And my third governor today from the state of colorado, dick lamb, former democratic governor here. now, the colorado director at denver's institute of public policy. i just love this campus. my third and final governor. i'll ask you the same question. what makes colorado such a swing state? >> it's always an evolution, i guess. there's always new people coming to. and there's these new elements, the hispanic community, this has always been a young people's state. young people change. i came up during the time of john f. kennedy. the young people that came up during the time of reagan were muc...

Level of education. >> you could tell they were swing states. i covered john kerry. we went to colorado and virginia early on. somewhere in september, you backed out. there's a sign there, moving in this direction and now, you can see obama, virginia, very close here. these states are changing and that's driving some of the changes in the politics as well. >> you know, two issue themes that i feel like i see out of here and one is near and dear to your heart, governor lamm, which has to do with fiscal issues and retirement reform. about you know, at some point, we're going to have, the people ...